Thanks
For saying
Yes, Mary
Sometimes I'll look at one of the articles sent by Academia.edu. They are all worth the time and effort. Today a question of God and the question whether 'care' is a felt attribute.
Why do so many suffer? And why do so many not suffer? Is there some theological algorithm? Is there a karmic scale pointing to degrees of weight tilting one way or the other? Is it all just the luck of the draw? Good genes? Wealthy grandparents? A cosmic lottery spun and dropped into a sequence of numbers?
I have no idea. But I sent a small donation to St Judes last week. Kids with cancer is a tough one. Not all cases are sweet, happy, and successful. How is that? Why is that?
Evaluating Schellenberg’s Presuppositions in the Problem of Divine Hiddenness from an
Islamic Perspective
--by Hamidreza Ayatollahy
Abstract:
At the end of the twentieth century, Schellenberg attempted to construct an argument for the non- existence of God. He emphasizes the necessity of the manifestation of divine love among people and argues that since many human beings find no trace of this love—despite having made great efforts and being willing to accept it sincerely if they were to find evidence—the existence of such non-resistant nonbelievers is itself evidence that such a God does not exist. Many have attempted either to challenge the structure of his argument or to provide justifications for why God has concealed Himself. However, in this paper, in order to evaluate Schellenberg’s claim, the presuppositions underlying his argument are identified, and an effort is made to examine these presuppositions within the framework of Islamic thought. Four presuppositions are discussed, and it is then shown that none of these four religious presuppositions has a place in Islamic thought such that Schellenberg could base his argument upon them. Consequently, these presuppositions cannot serve as premises for Schellenberg’s arguments, and thus the structure of his argument collapses when viewed from an Islamic perspective.
Introduction:
Atheistic currents have adopted a new approach since the beginning of the twentieth century. Until the early twentieth century, these currents either tried to provide reasons to show the inefficacy of various arguments that had been offered for the existence of God, or they questioned the reality of believers’ faith in God through psychological or sociological explanations (Ayatollahy, 2025). However, all these efforts resulted merely in agnosticism and skepticism regarding the existence of God. From the early twentieth century onward, instead of rejecting the arguments for God’s existence, these movements attempted to put forward arguments aimed at proving that God cannot exist or that no meaningful concept of God can be obtained at all. Their most important effort was made through the problem of evil (Mackie, 1955.)
They sought to show that the existence of evil in the world demonstrates an intrinsic contradiction in the concept of God as understood in theistic worldviews. Some also tried to draw such a conclusion from the apparent conflict between divine foreknowledge and human free will. However, philosophers such as Plantinga showed that the existence of evil is not logically incompatible with the attributes of God, and even demonstrated that the existence of evil may be a necessary condition for God’s creation of free human beings (Plantinga, 1974). Subsequently, the logical problem of evil gave way to the evidential problem of gratuitous evils, which was formulated by William Rowe (Rowe, 1979). This objection, too, was subjected to numerous critiques by theists. With the emergence of analytic philosophy of language, another type of objection was raised by opponents of theism, questioning the meaningfulness of religious propositions. This argument was formulated by Antony Flew in his famous parable of the two explorers and the invisible gardener.
Two explorers, during their journey, encounter a group of trees, and one of them claims that the grove is arranged and cared for by a wise gardener (just as God is explained in the world). The second explorer takes the absence of any observable gardener as evidence of his non-existence. He then shows that there is in practice no viable way to reveal such a gardener. Consequently, neither evidence for the existence of such a gardener nor evidence for his non-existence can be provided, and thus the claim of the gardener’s existence is meaningless. Basil Mitchell, Richard Hare, John Hick, and Crombie, in response, attempted to demonstrate the meaningfulness of belief in God in various ways. This objection has been presented in two forms (Flew et al., 1971). In the parable of the two explorers, Flew questions the existence of God, while in another parable he renders the attributes of the God of theists meaningless. He gives the example of a child suffering from cancer of the larynx, burning with fever, while his earthly father desperately tries all night long to save him. Yet no sign of the heavenly Father, who is said to be a God of love for His servants, is seen, and eventually the child dies (Flew in Hick, 1990, p. 368). Through this parable, he shows that the theistic claim that the heavenly God loves human beings is neither verifiable nor falsifiable, and concludes that this belief is fundamentally meaningless. After Flew, this example has been discussed less frequently (Ayatollahy, 2025).
The challenge of the alleged meaninglessness of God’s existence and of divine attributes was reformulated in a new structure by Schellenberg at the end of the twentieth century in order to present an argument against the existence of God. He analyzed the Christian doctrine of a loving God whose most important attribute is love for His servants. He argued that such a loving God necessarily seeks to be in relationship with His servants in such a way that they can understand this loving relationship. Yet under circumstances in which some human beings (at least) are in dire need of benefiting from the fruits of this love, they see no tangible sign of God’s love in their lives. He describes this issue as “divine hiddenness” (Schellenberg, 1993).
(An excerpt. --cf https://www.academia.edu/s/3808a7aa4f#comment_1495553 for whole article)
I played 'hide and seek' as a kid. After a while in a good hiding place I'd want to be found. I didn't want dusk to come and be forgotten. "Divine hiddenness" feels a familiar scenario. I'm not fond of the thought that God doesn't care. (If there is "a God" or "God-as-Reality.")
So many arguments seem an artifice of apologetics. The driver in a smashed automobile in the seconds following a sudden crash calls out to God to protect her children in the back seat. Of course she does. The desperate man with gun in hand sitting in living room at edge of inner debate whether now is the time to pull the trigger and erase (he thinks) his life, his pain, his tortured psyche.
It seems both facile and foolish to question whether there is a God who sees us, cares for us, and wishes to assist us in our difficult and critical moments.
These days I'm just as pleased to imagine there is a God who cares as I am to accept the possibility there is no God and, thus, no superseding being in control of existence and sentient life. I pray to a loving living God and, at the same time, I accept the raw fact we are on our own with no protection or home.
In days gone by we would kill the atheist. Or we would kill those who believed in a version of God different from the one "we" believed in. And then, curiously, we would quietly inch toward our self-generation as a version of God more to our ideological aspirations. Which is more dangerous is fodder for Talmudic or Tibetan or Inquisition debate.
Whether God's existence is meaningful or meaningless is, I suppose, something to think about.
I don't know.
Last night we talked about the word "stupid."
Certainly applies to me.
I look at myself in the world.
And the word "fool" comes to mind..
I won't be throwing out the first pitch
baseball season opens tonight
instead I’ll eat a hotdog, loaded,
sip a diet tonic water, pretending
i'm playing third base, that I really
can make the throw to first, able
to lift pitch out of infield, trudge
to first without falling in the dirt
my baseball career is spotty, I know
I must have gotten a few hits, made
a few throws, ran from first to third
at least once, caught a few grounders
so long ago, so long ago, nobody
thinks of me and says ‘he could play!’
but my son gave me an Ohtani jersey
it hangs on sun porch. I’ll wear it tonight
You would think, with the myriad of product advertisements flashing across every media, devise, magazine, email, radio, and newspaper, that shopping and purchasing is the purpose of human life on this planet.
Is Pantanjali saying anything different?
18. Things seen have as their property manifestation, action, inertia. They form the basis of the elements and the sense-powers. They make for experience and for liberation.
Here is a whole philosophy of life. Things seen, the total of the phenomena, possess as their property, manifestation, action, inertia: the qualities of force and matter in combination. These, in their grosser form, make the material world; in their finer, more subjective form, they make the psychical world, the world of sense-impressions and mind-images. And through this totality of the phenomenal, the soul gains experience, and is prepared for liberation. In other words, the whole outer world exists for the purposes of the soul, and finds in this its true reason for being.
(-- from,THE YOGA SUTRAS OF PATANJALI,“The Book of the Spiritual Man” An Interpretation By Charles Johnston, Bengal Civil Service, Retired;, Indian Civil Service, Sanskrit Prizeman;, Dublin University, Sanskrit Prizeman, https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2526/2526-h/2526-h.htm#:~:text=In%20other%20words%2C%20the%20whole,mark%2C%20that%20without%20distinctive%20mark.
Investing and trading.
Betting and gambling.
Get me more.
Find me loopholes.
19. The grades or layers of the Three Potencies are the defined, the undefined, that with distinctive mark, that without distinctive mark.
Or, as we might say, there are two strata of the physical, and two strata of the psychical realms. In each, there is the side of form, and the side of force. The form side of the physical is here called the defined. The force side of the physical is the undefined, that which has no boundaries. So in the psychical; there is the form side; that with distinctive marks, such as the characteristic features of mind-images; and there is the force side, without distinctive marks, such as the forces of desire or fear, which may flow now to this mind-image, now to that.
20. The Seer is pure vision. Though pure, he looks out through the vesture of the mind.
The Seer, as always, is the spiritual man whose deepest consciousness is pure vision, the pure life of the eternal. But the spiritual man, as yet unseeing in his proper person, looks out on the world through the eyes of the psychical man, by whom he is enfolded and enmeshed. The task is, to set this prisoner free, to clear the dust of ages from this buried temple.
(ibid, bk 2: 18, 19, 20, Pantanjali)
I remember studying Pantanjali at The New School For Social Research in Manhattan in the early 1970s. I included him in my syllabus on Comparative Religions in university courses. I’m not sure I had (have) the foggiest idea about that which he writes. That might be age -- once too young, now too old.
Let’s try this: we look out through a field of distracting obstacles attempting to see through into an open empty field called the clarity of things as they are.
That which is the so-called origin of the looking, that out of which the longing to see, actually, what is there, has, of and in itself, a “no-place source.”
This “no-place source” is also (extensively) a no-place destination.
The seer (if you will) is traveling from no-place to no-place. Between origin and destination is the field of buying and selling crowding our every thought, desire, and action. It is a debris field likely to destabilize and reroute any traveler venturing into the circling band surrounding all human action in the so-called world.
So many of us get lost in this travel (travail?)
What’s not to like luxuriating in gadgets and groceries, pharmacy aides and insurance guarantees offered us for our protection, pleasure, and privilege?
Of course, this is probably not what Pantanjali is talking about.
But as I look back, I realize how off-course I went trying and failing to navigate that space between no-space and no-space.
No-space and no-place intruded upon by space and place obscuring no-space and no-place.
But as my (so-called) life rides the subway train from Coney Island Brooklyn to 57th street Manhattan I am flummoxed as to the complexity of life and its goings-on station to station, ingress to egress, strap-hangers and rush-hour crowds, bumping and rattling my knapsack on the rocking transit cars passing through the boroughs tunnels, and announced stops.
Ah the "pure vision, the pure life of the eternal” -- even unto now, warming sun melting snow from porch roof, white snow ground, pure blue sky, clear enough mind, in chair, by window, riding the corpus-capsule through the day, one day at a time, decades and decades trailing rumination of someone’s life, my life, gone by, going by, covered by all -- all I have fallen to, all that has fallen on me.
"The task is, to set this prisoner free, to clear the dust of ages from this buried temple.” (op cit)
*Gegensätze, gemeinsam unerkennbar
Kindness
And
Cruelty
Truth
And
Trump
“See me. Feel me. Touch me. Heal me.” (from “Tommy”, by The Who)
Maybe what we call “the divine” or "the ineffable” is a familiar haunting passing lyric pleading to be experienced.
Furthermore, the scriptural model better represents “God’s all-embracing immanence in all of creation”—and, he argues, Centering Prayer happens to fit squarely within the scriptural model. More advanced Catholics, Frey suggests, gradually transcend and integrate the Western model; thus, critics of Centering Prayer must simply be stuck in the Western model.25
If nothing else, this is advanced rhetoric. But, depending on exactly how one fleshes out the notion of the-self-in-God and God-in-the-self, Frey may also be describing the fuzzy syncretic edge where Catholicism meets Buddhism. Compare, for example, the scriptural model of the-self-in-God and God-in-the-self with this Soto Zen priest’s description of “the Zen version of God”:
[E]ven though Zen does not conceive of the Ineffable as being personified, we still believe there is something incredibly intimate and personal about it. Dogen writes, “We ourselves are tools which [the Ineffable] possesses within this Universe in ten directions.” We are not part of the Ineffable in spite of being our personal self, or in addition to being our personal self. There is no Ineffable apart from the myriad manifestations of the universe, including our personal self. Just as the Ineffable shines through a beautiful piece of music, it shines through us.26
(--in "On Centering Prayer and Shikantaza", by Jill R. Gaulding, Harvard Divinity Bulletin, 2020)
The word “anoësis” comes to mind.
Etymology
Pronunciation
Noun
anoesis (uncountable)
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/anoesis#English
Something there is that cannot be successively thought. Not rationalized, not conceptualized, not cognitive, not understood.
Experienced?
Maybe.
Felt?
Maybe.
Become our practice?
(Hmmm...!)
I’ll sit with that.
Hey, you
Me?
Yeah you
What?
Come here
Why?
… … …
[If this had been a real interlocution you would have been directed to mind your own business. We appreciate your compliance with this advisory.]
Car passes
Truck passes
Bird sings
This is
What Saturday
Morning sounds like
If you
Want to know god
Know this
Here
(is where)
I am,
for now
Here
(My love)
Is
Here
There
(Is no)
There
There
How
(Difficult is it)
To be
Here
One
(Minute ago)
It was
4:44
Now
(It is)
Not, not
Anymore
I admit
(my love)
it is
Good
To
(See you)
As you are
Here
Something about anesthesia
room full of medical folks
being told "have a good nap"
wondering if you will go under
then . . .
opening eyes in different room
having been gone, gone, gone
now back from no-where
doctor from India patting shoulder
saying I'm ok, saying, if I want,
I could get heart surgery I could
get pancreatic surgery, or, if I didn't,
live well until time says, "hey, you
want to go back to that deep no-where?"
and I wonder what it will be like
this new un-timing, this clear no-awaring
We hold these
Family members and
Ancestors fondly in heart
Everyone, everyone
Is family and ancestor —
It is large heart, wide embrace
I've liked Joseph
since I was a kid.
I also like the phrase
"On earth, (as it is), in heaven"
in the prayer his kid spoke.
There's something Buddhist
in the narratives about Joseph --
caring, protective, mostly silent.
( I suppose he was a pre-christian
Christian as well).
He disappeared silently
he lived mostly silently
He seems under-celebrated,
matter of fact, as it should be,
as it is in heaven, as it is on earth
This
Is my last
Will and
Testament.
Really?
What is
This?
Do you think you
Want to know?
“Yes” [then] “No “
tea with no milk
lemon poppy muffin
French monks chant
their obscure mystery
Ensō stretches on Tibetan rug
there is no reason to live
just sip tea, finish muffin
watch temperature on sunporch
rise, with gratitude to capable
cranky Irishman’s labor now lost
so much goes bye whether
you are looking or not
I heard Leo XIV use phrase "Step toward Christ."
And I wondered -- is this stepping arising toward what is
already there, or, stepping closer to what is not yet here?
Wisława Szymborska's poem
We’re extremely fortunate
We’re extremely fortunate
not to know precisely
the kind of world we live in.
One would have
to live a long, long time,
unquestionably longer
than the world itself.
Get to know other worlds,
if only for comparison.
Rise above the flesh,
which only really knows
how to obstruct
and make trouble.
For the sake of research,
the big picture
and definitive conclusions,
one would have to transcend time,
in which everything scurries and whirls.
From that perspective,
one might as well bid farewell
to incidents and details.
The counting of weekdays
would inevitably seem to be
a senseless activity;
dropping letters in the mailbox
a whim of foolish youth;
the sign “No Walking on the Grass”
a symptom of lunacy.
--Poem by Wisława Szymborska
--Translated by Stanislaw Baranczak and Clare Cavanagh in (The End and the Beginning, 1993)
Perhaps it is fortunate not to know why what is happening is, in fact, happening. Perhaps it would scare me. Or, lead me to some depressive action incommensurate with my wellbeing.
In a sane time the rules of clear communication and reasonable expectation would provide a modicum of sanity and a sensible following of events.
Szymborska sounds a little Buddhist with her lines:
Rise above the flesh,
which only really knows
how to obstruct
and make trouble.
And the nod, perhaps, to form and emptiness:
From that perspective,
one might as well bid farewell
to incidents and details.
I suspect not everything has to be reflected in Buddhism just because I'm a Buddhist. Nor should everything be reflected in Christianity because I'm a cradle Catholic, (catholique né d'une famille catholique).
Nor need every thought-provoking phrase be washed through my interest in Hinduism, Judaism, Islam, Native American, Pagan, Agnosticism, and Atheism, much less the foreign languages that call to my attention. But that seems to be a choice I make.
I am interested to:
Get to know other worlds,
if only for comparison.
(Thank you, Wisława -- poetry is the other great spiritual/religious touchstone while here.)
Papa Leo seems like the kind of guy, thoughtful and full of imagination, Wisława and I would like to take tea with. We could look to her empty chair at cafe table, her gentle smile and intriguing whereabouts part of her poetic soucier.
We could "step toward" what is longing to be out there ahead of us, respectfully beckoning with quiet compassion our words, our bodies, and the extremely fortunate choices we might happily make to narrow the gap between there and here.
Forget the pretend
Adversarial
Red vs blue
I’m afraid
Truth is
The man is insane
I’ll say it
You don have to
Keep up the pretense
Soon, he will
Be removed
His terrible derangement
This summer, while visiting
Washington, D.C., with my
son, we went inside the Jefferson
Memorial and read the inscrip-
tions on the walls out loud. One
quote struck me deeply: “I am
not an advocate for frequent
changes in laws and constitu-
tions, but laws and institutions
must go hand in hand with the
progress of the human mind.
As that becomes more devel-
oped, more enlightened, as
new discoveries are made, new
truths discovered and manners
and opinions change, with the
change of circumstances, institu-
tions must advance also to keep
pace with the times. We might
as well require a man to wear
still the coat which fi tted him
when a boy as civilized society to
remain ever under the regimen
of their barbarous ancestors.”
This excerpt from a letter by
Thomas Jefferson resonated with
me immediately. Jefferson— the
original originalist— would have
been appalled at some of our
recent Supreme Court decisions.
Brad Erickson
Iowa City, Iowa
Jill Lepore replies:
In high school I had a won-
derfully pudgy and eccentric
tenth-grade history teacher. He
taught in a second-story room
with a wide plate-glass window
that looked out at a mountain
in the distance, whose silhouette
resembled a sleeping giant. In the
middle of an especially boring
lesson—the accidental presidency
of John Tyler, say—he’d lumber
across the room and haul himself
up onto the radiator beneath
the window and lie down on it,
exactly lining up his belly with
the mountain’s summit, his head
and feet with its smaller peaks:
he, the giant. He’d sigh, settling
in, and then he’d appear to nod
off . We’d wait, a little nervously.
And then suddenly and in a
whirl of motion you could not
imagine as within the capacity
of so large and old and ungainly
a man, he’d roll off the radiator,
leap to his feet, and cry, “The
giant wakes!” And it would be
very thrilling, and we’d all snap
to attention, and he’d move on
and—somehow, somehow—he’d
make the fall of the Whig Party
gripping. In short, I heartily
agree with these readers, and I
hereby offer my assurance that
the whole point of my sleeping-
giant analogy with reference to
Article V of the Constitution,
aside from being a nod to a
beloved teacher, is that somehow,
somehow, and I suspect one day
soon, “the giant will wake” !
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/magazine/pdfs/202602.pdf
These recent months have been like being slapped in the face by some arrogant bully. For the immediate present it feels disorienting and shocking. But after taking some breaths, and maybe a refreshing nap, it becomes time for the sleeper to awake.